In nutshell, as I understand memory management, processor produces virtual addresses. These addresses are translated to corresponding physical addresses using per-process address table by MMU (with TLBs and page-faults in-between, as and when needed).
My question is does processor always produces Virtual addresses? In terms of Address-spaces(user/kernel), Processor modes (user/kernel) and contexts (process/system) when all times does processor produce physical addresses?
Memory typically knows nothing about virtual addresses or segments, which are CPU concepts, it is just memory, a collection of addressable and readable/writable bits. The processor talks to memory using physical addresses. Many simple processors (especially old ones or for special embedded uses) have no MMUs, virtual addresses or privileged modes. Those that have MMUs and virtual addresses normally start either with those disabled or they at first use fixed mapping because otherwise nothing would be able to work if there's no mapping at all.
So, physical addresses are always in use, while for virtual addresses it depends on the CPU and the software in use.
Processor is unaware about whether it is physical address or virtual address , it is the job of respective MMU to do the translation.
Processor has to place the address on it address bus , so now the path depends whether MMU is enabled or disabled. if MMU is enabled it will follow the path of MMU translation and respective physical address will get placed on address bus and if MMU is disabled the same address generated by respective instruction will be placed on address bus.
so it is responsibility of programmer if MMU is disabled all address access should be physical address otherwise it will be a exception or abort in system
Yes when a system works on VM then instructions/programs produce only VA even at the time of booting, addresses generated are not the same as physical despite page tables are still not in existence.
But processor need physical addresses to access memory. So there is mechanism to produce physical addresses from virtual addresses which is called address translation done through page tables. Yes whatever you see in kernel mode/user mode, register values all are virtual addresses. but when processor actually perform computation, processor always uses physical addresses
My question is does processor always produces Virtual addresses? In terms of Address-spaces(user/kernel), Processor modes (user/kernel) and contexts (process/system) when all times does processor produce physical addresses?
An x86 CPU operates with 3 different "kinds" of addresses:
Which kind of address is used isn't dependent on the current privilege level (CPL; "system mode", "user mode" or between). It depends on the state of the processor (paging enabled or not) and the actual instruction (lidt for example). Though I guess it's safe to assume that there won't be physical addressing in "user mode" (CPL > 0) since instructions using physical addresses are usually privileged instructions.
Generally the CPU ONLY knows "virtual addresses". Ie, when you do any assembly programming, any "load regs, *(memory ptr)" or such-like operation, the addresses are virtual addresses.
The following diagram illustrates well the concept:
http://slideplayer.com/slide/4394245/ (page 7)
Any addresses coming out of CPU, is always virtual. But if the processor has a MMU, then the MMU will intercept the addresses and convert it to physical addresses (through Page Table mechanism) before putting it on the memory bus. So if you sniff the memory bus, you will see physical addresses.
References:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-return-address-of-kmalloc-Physical-or-Virtual
